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Netanyahu: Palestinian talks conditions 'insurmountable'
Published Monday 10/06/2013 (updated) 12/06/2013 08:24
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu heads the weekly cabinet
meeting at his office in Jerusalem, on June 9. (AFP/Abir Sultan, Pool)
JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Palestinian preconditions for peace talks make a return to negotiations impossible for Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday.

"To me the setting of preconditions is an insurmountable obstacle," Netanyahu told the foreign affairs and defense committee, a parliamentary statement said.

The PLO says it will only return to negotiations if Israel stops building on occupied Palestinian land and if Israel agrees to negotiate on the basis of the borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.

Israel demands talks "without preconditions" and refuses publicly to freeze settlement building.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has postponed an expected trip to Israel and Palestine to attend White House talks on Syria, US officials told AFP on Monday.

The visit had not been formally announced but a tentative schedule from the office of Israeli President Shimon Peres had said the two men would meet on June 11.

Israel HaYom, a newspaper considered close to Netanyahu also said Kerry had been due to arrive on Tuesday.

It said he delayed to give President Mahmoud Abbas more time to decide whether to drop his insistence on a settlement freeze.

Last week, Kerry warned that if his efforts to kickstart the peace negotiations, frozen since 2010, fail now, there may never be another chance.

Israeli news website Ynet quoted Netanyahu as telling a meeting of senior members of his Likud party on Tuesday that he had received no US request for a settlement freeze.

It also reported him as saying that continued settlement building in the occupied West Bank "has no effect on a peace agreement."

But he told the parliamentary committee that the alternative to statehood for the Palestinians would be for them and Israelis to share one country, and that was not an option.

"If we go into direct negotiations, it is likely to be very hard but the alternative of a binational state is one we do not want," he said.

Speaking at the weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday, Netanyahu -- who in 2009 declared his support for a two-state solution -- said he and Kerry will "try to make progress to find the opening for negotiations with the Palestinians, with the goal of reaching an agreement".

"This agreement will be based on a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state, and on firm security arrangements based on the IDF (Israeli military)," he said.
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1 ) Old & New / Insurmountable
10/06/2013 21:06
- The PLO of old, murdered King Hussein's grandfather, for seeking a way out of the Insurmountable (accepted Israel's continued existance), and
- The Hamas of today, will murder PLO leaders for seeking a way out,
of the same Insurmountable situation, but
- The Jewish State will continue to both exist and to prosper, while
the people under the PLO and Hamas stagnate in never-ending poverty !!!

2 ) Outlier / USA
10/06/2013 21:49
On this point, Netanyahu must give in. A suspension of settlement expansion and a limitation of Israeli building to Jerusalem should be accepted to begin peace talks. Both would remain in place as long as peace talks continue, but will be abandoned should progress towards a negotiated settlement end.

3 ) Colin Wright / USA
10/06/2013 22:12
The US could freeze aid. That made Israel stop building in the early eighties. Isn't it nice to know a solution is so readily to hand?

4 ) Colin Wright / USA
10/06/2013 22:13
To 'Old & New' #1 '- The Jewish State will continue to both exist and to prosper...' It's going to be a thousand-year Reich, right?

5 ) diego / usa
10/06/2013 23:13
2 states yes, but the must provide SECURE borders for both countries. Pre 67 lines provide ZERO security for israel.

6 ) ian / australia
11/06/2013 00:10
That was a quick round of "peace talks" (or as Shimon Peres calls them "piss" talks) but really, though they're not physically at the table, they ARE negotiating. It's become quite streamlined. They don't even have to meet to reach an impossible deadlock. Abbas says '67 borders. Bibi says "firm security arrangements based on the IDF" meaning fugetabout the Jordan Valley. Abbas says stop building. Bibi says (incomprehensibly) that building in the settlements "has no effect on a peace agreement."

7 ) ian / australia
11/06/2013 00:12
(contd.) And they haven't even gotten to the Haram. Surely "talks" have proved a miserable failure and something new should be tried. Like the law maybe. (And beyond that, all that's left is war.)

8 ) Conditions of / Both Sides
11/06/2013 00:26
Israel's 'insurmountable' conditions are unconditional peace talks, and Palestinian 'insurmountable' conditions includes a 100% building freeze, and also 1967 borders baseline (not to mention refugee return). Israel will accept a status-quo in the situation, which prevents a real Palestinian state, and, the question is if Palestinians will accept either: -1- a NO Palestinian state situation indefinitely, or -2- drop their 'insurmountable' conditions, so that talks restart.

9 ) 1) Faris / ...
11/06/2013 00:42
Nazis!

10 ) Ben / USA
11/06/2013 01:14
Abbas knows that so long as makes these preconditions, he will never have to negotiate with Israel

11 ) peter Hindrup / australia
11/06/2013 01:53
"This agreement will be based on a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state, and on firm security arrangements based on the IDF (Israeli military)," he said. Says it all. We will give you nothing. Israeli style 'negotiation'.

12 ) Apartheid will never succeed / usa
11/06/2013 02:04
Israel will find itself in the same straits as South Africa - a pariah for practicing apartheid and denying fundamental human and legal rights to 3 million people because they are not the right religion or race.

13 ) gabi / australia
11/06/2013 03:18
Netanyahu says talks with Palestinians are to be unconditional, meaning the Palestinians must go to the table without any pre-conditions, and maintains the position that his stance on talks has his own pre-conditions, ie no freezing of settlement building. He also says that settlement building "has no effect on a peace agreement". This means "We'll continue to take what land we want in exchange for peace, and you are not to create 'insurmountable obstacles' to our pre-conditions." What's new?

14 ) Shlomo / New York
11/06/2013 03:31
#1 - "The Jewish State will continue to both exist and to prosper" Hmmm, reminds me of what some said before WWII. That's why I live in New York, probably why lots of Israelis have dual citizenship as well. Bags pack and ready to go.

15 ) betz55 / USA
11/06/2013 03:45
Bibi is setting pre-conditions for his version of "negotiations". Stopping settlement construction is not a “precondition”. When Israel signed the Road Map and the Oslo Accords, it pledged to stop all Settlement construction. Israel has enjoyed an undeserved decade-long exemption from the obligations of that promise. But, the Palestinians should say, ok - you have just destroyed your jews only state. Buh-by israel.

16 ) Failed / Test
11/06/2013 08:03
Ethnic cleansing and the expulsion of Jews from their homes doesn't bring peace, as was proven with Israel's full withdrawal from Gaza to the pre-1967 border. Only a real intent for peace and an honest negotiated agreement without ethnic cleansing, and without PLO apartheid will bring peace. All the rest is just hot air pumped by corrupt "palestinian" despots.

17 ) Carol Scheller / Switzerland
11/06/2013 08:10
If my memory serves me well, it was before the same American demand for settlement freezing that the state of Israel just couldn't handle. Peace isn't easy, but why want the alternative ?

18 ) Mark of Lewiston / USA
11/06/2013 08:35
Netanyahu can only handle his own preconditions. Settlement building is something he cannot and will not stop. Price Tagging, too is something he cannot even negotiate. Time for the US to walk away and quit trying. Abbas and Netanyahu like the demographics apparently. Netanyahu's idea is two states does not include Palestine being independent or sovereign. Analise the Netanyahu Speeches.

19 ) Outsider / EU
11/06/2013 09:34
"This agreement will be based on a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state, and on firm security arrangements based on the IDF (Israeli military)," he said. Preconditions, Mr Netanyahu?

20 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:12
To Conditions of #8: 'the question is if Palestinians will accept either: -1- a NO Palestinian state situation indefinitely, or -2- drop their 'insurmountable' conditions, so that talks restart.' By this you mean that you intend to herd the Palestinians into walled ghettos, and you want them to agree to it.

21 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:14
"This agreement will be based on a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state, and on firm security arrangements based on the IDF (Israeli military)," In America, that's known as an Indian Reservation. Of course, the Indians are free to come and go, they can vote, and they remain American citizens. I suppose there would be differences.

22 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:17
To Ben #10 'Abbas knows that so long as makes these preconditions, he will never have to negotiate with Israel' 'Negotiations' would be a euphemism. Netanyahu wants the Palestinians to agree that they should be herded into walled ghettos.

23 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:21
Now seriously, boys and girls. Netanyahu's statements and the posts of the Israel-love brigade illustrate what I really can't stand about Israel. The crimes themselves are bad enough -- but sadly, hardly unique in human history. However, the incessant lying is really infuriating.

24 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:22
To betz #15: ' When Israel signed the Road Map and the Oslo Accords, it pledged to stop all Settlement construction. ' You seem to have missed one of the ground rules here. Israel is never obliged to honor her own agreements. This has been true since 1920. It's an essential component of Zionism.

25 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 12:26
To Failed #16: 'Israel's full withdrawal from Gaza to the pre-1967 border.' If Israel has 'fully withdrawn' from Gaza, why does she still exert sovereignty over it?

26 ) Brian Cohen / Israel
11/06/2013 12:42
Colin - you're finally zeroing in on the truth in #21. You Americans and your successful occupation of Indian lands are a prime example, as are the Aussies and their illegal settlements in Australia. Unlike Israel, you both conquered legitimate nations and your occupation became permanent. In our case, Jews really do indeed originate from here, so we do indeed have a legitimate claim. You guys? You love to call yourselves legit, but the reality is you're still occupiers. Successful ones.

27 ) LOLOL HEY SHLOMO / JEW
11/06/2013 12:48
Shlomo / New York.... How many years do you think hou have before the AMERICAN HOLOCAUST???? wait till the Blacks and HISPANICS take over the USA The JEWS WILL BE LYNCHED TO THE LAST OF THEM!!!

28 ) Rami / Palestine
11/06/2013 13:42
He doesn't want a single state for because that would supposedly be catastrophic to the Israelis and he doesn't want to take the necessary steps to create two states such as....oh, I don't know......NOT BUILDING ON THE LAND YOUR TRYING TO NEGOTIATE FOR, UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT WHO LEGALLY OWNS IT. Seriously, it not rocket science. The guy just has no interest in peace whatsoever despite what he says publicly. He's a walking talking PR nightmare for the Israelis that's for sure.

29 ) @ Rami-28 / USA
11/06/2013 16:07
If there existed a peace process and something to lose, that would be good advice, but Palestinians are never going to consider peace, without their demands for 1967, Jerusalem, and refugees, so
- Israel has nothing to lose by building, and
- Palestinians should also consider "NOT BUILDING ON LAND YOUR TRYING TO NEGOTIATE FOR, UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT WHO LEGALLY OWNS IT."

30 ) diego / usa
11/06/2013 17:43
how is the 67 borders defensible for either coutry?

31 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 21:26
To Brian #26: 'Colin - you're finally zeroing in on the truth.. ' I did once respond to your mindless repetition of 'ye olde Indian argument.' There was no evidence that you read what I had written then. Why should I repeat it now?

32 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 21:27
To LOLOL #27: 'Shlomo / New York.... How many years do you think hou have before the AMERICAN HOLOCAUST???? wait till the Blacks and HISPANICS take over the USA...' Birds of a feather flock together. The Zionists find their natural allies. Closet Nazis of the world, unite!

33 ) Colin Wright / USA
11/06/2013 21:30
To LOLOL #27: 'wait till the Blacks and HISPANICS take over the USA The JEWS WILL BE LYNCHED TO THE LAST OF THEM!!!' ...and if that should happen (which it won't: 'Blacks and Hispanics' are only allies in your imagination), how long would Israel last? If the US 'falls,' Israel is dead anyway. It bears the same relationship to the US that a tapeworm bears to its host.

34 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
12/06/2013 04:05
IS ANYONE TRULY SURPRISED BY ALL THIS ??? ... Is anyone still deluding him/herself about the possibility of us ever agreeing to a (second) Palestinian nation west of the Jordan River ??? ... So let me address the more "enlightened" comments here ... @ 3), So do IT, for hell's sake ... Go ahead and tell your government to kill all U.S. aid. If you think what happened 30 or more yrs. ago will give you better luck this time, your cigar just exploded in your face. @ 6), No, we really (cont.)

35 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
12/06/2013 04:47
@ 23), Yes, you're 100% right: Our incessant lying (about us being in favor of a Palestinian nation west of the Jordan River) IS 100% infuriating. Go get another cigar. @ 33), If you believe if America would "fall" (which I sure as hell hope it never would, independent of your aid to us and other nations) that that means we're dead ... you're certifiably dead wrong. If you think we'd end up as South Viet Nam did of yestermillenium, you're absolutely crazy.

36 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
12/06/2013 19:02
AREN'T negotiating. @ 14), Thanks ... and BTW, if you're really "Jewish" (wink ... wink), remember this: So STAY in New York; we don't need you here (we want you, yes, but we'll prosper whether you or other diaspora "Jews" come here or not; translation: We're here permanently, with or without you). @ 18), No, Netanyahu doesn't even WANT "2 states" west of the Jordan River. @ 22), No, what he really wants is for all Palestinians west of the Jordan River to go EAST of it (like I do). (cont.)
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