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UN statehood bid 'threatens Palestinian rights'
Published Wednesday 24/08/2011 (updated) 30/08/2011 15:19
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BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- The Palestinian team responsible for preparing the United Nations initiative in September has been given an independent legal opinion that warns of risks involved with its plan to join the UN.

An initiative to transfer the Palestinians' representation from the PLO to a state will terminate the legal status held by the PLO in the UN since 1975 that it is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, according to the document.

Crucially, there will no longer be an institution that can represent the inalienable rights of the entire Palestinian people in the UN and related international institutions, according to the brief.

Representation for the right to self-determination will be gravely affected, as it is a right of all Palestinians, both inside and outside the homeland, the opinion says. A change in status would severely disenfranchise the right of refugees to return to their homes and properties from which they were displaced.

The seven-page opinion, obtained by Ma'an, was submitted to the Palestinian side by Guy Goodwin-Gill, a professor of public international law at Oxford University and a member of the team that won the 2004 non-binding judgement by the International Court of Justice that the route of Israel's wall was illegal.

The Palestinian team, headed by Saeb Erekat, has been preparing an initiative to replace the PLO at the UN, substituting it with the State of Palestine as the representative of the Palestinian people.

An actual state cannot be created in September, as Israel's occupation continues, so the debate is focused on whether membership should be requested from the Security Council or if the General Assembly should be asked to grant recognition of a state as an "observer," a status that conveys less than full UN membership.

Yet, almost no considerations have been made in terms of the dramatic legal implications for Palestinian rights which this legal brief says will occur should the PLO lose its status.

The brief is to "flag the matters requiring attention" so that a substantial amount of people who have interests in, for example, the right of return, are not "accidentally disenfranchised."

First of all, the prospect of substituting the PLO with the State of Palestine raises "constitutional" problems in that they engage the Palestinian National Charter and the organization and entities which make up the PLO, according to the brief. Second is "the question of the 'capacity' of the State of Palestine effectively to take on the role and responsibilities of the PLO in the UN; and thirdly, the question of popular representation," the opinion says.

The Palestinian Authority, which was established by the PLO as a short-term, administrative entity, "has limited legislative and executive competence, limited territorial jurisdiction, and limited personal jurisdiction over Palestinians not present in the areas for which it has been accorded responsibility," the brief points out.

It notes that the PA "is a subsidiary body, competent only to exercise those powers conferred on it by the Palestinian National Council. By definition, it does not have the capacity to assume greater powers."

The PA cannot "dissolve" its parent body or establish itself independently of the PNC and the PLO, the report also says. Moreover, it is the PLO and the PNC which derive their legitimacy "from the fact that they represent all sectors of the displaced Palestinian people, no matter where they presently live or have refuge."

Particularly crucial are the potential implications for Palestinians in the Diaspora. The majority of Palestinians are refugees, and all of them are represented by the PLO through the PNC.

"They constitute more than half of the people of Palestine, and if they are 'disenfranchised' and lose their representation in the UN, it will not only prejudice their entitlement to equal representation ... but also their ability to vocalise their views, to participate in matters of national governance, including the formation and political identity of the State, and to exercise the right of return," the legal briefing says.

Karma Nabulsi, a former PLO representative and now a professor at Oxford University, says she is familiar with the document. Palestinian officials have also seen the legal opinion, she says.

"Without question, no Palestinian will accept losing such core rights for such a limited diplomatic initiative in September," she says. "First, we will not have liberated territory upon which to establish a State. But in losing the PLO as the sole legitimate representative at the UN, our people immediately lose their claims as refugees to be part of our official representation, recognized by the world.

"This is an urgent and critical issue for our whole people. We must ensure our representatives advance our rights in international forum, not weaken or endanger them. Of course now that the legal dangers have been raised so fully, I am confident the initiative will protect the status of the PLO as sole legitimate representative in the UN in order to advance the rights" of the Palestinian people.

Nabulsi says Goodwin-Gill opinion has defined and clarified the "red lines" in legal terms.

"The PLO is the representative of the people, not just a part of the people; the PLO is the architect and creator of the Palestinian Authority; that any change in who represents the people or a part of the people requires an expression of the popular will and international recognition," she explained.

"Neither the Palestinian Authority nor the PLO can alter the role and structure of the PLO without the agreement of the entire Palestinian people. In any case, the PLO and the Palestinian people were not aware that by losing the PLO as representative at the UN, it would create such legal dangers. Now they are."

She concluded: "Obviously, we need clarity from the PLO on this critical issue, and it is important that the Palestinian public everywhere, especially the refugees in the [Diaspora], are given concrete reassurances that representation of their core rights -- on both representation and right of return -- will remain untouched in September."
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1 ) Palestina87 / Palestine
24/08/2011 14:06
The PLO is the national institution that holds Palestinians together as a people, and it is the only structure that has the capacity to represent Palestinians inside and out the homeland. It is must remain as our sole legitimate representative. Replacing the PLO with the PA/is a Palestinian state is an Israeli aim (as per the Reut Institute: http://goo.gl/5qBhv ) and we must never allow that to happen!

2 ) Ahmad / Palestine
24/08/2011 14:12
What the current leadership is doing is a disaster, they must be stopped. We need to maintain the PLO as the sole representative of the Palestinians and rebuild and reactivate it through direct elections to the PNC. Anything less than this disenfranchises the majority of Palestinians and divides us even further.

3 ) Ghassan / Palestine
24/08/2011 14:15
The PLO is the only body that can represent us as a people. We will never allow it to be undermined as the sole legitimate representative. If it is replaced by the PA 'state' (which cannot represent all Palestinians) that will be exactly what the Zionists want - cementing the division between Palestinians inside and outside.

4 ) nidal el khairy / jordan
24/08/2011 14:17
The PLO is the structure that holds us together as a people, it is the only structure that has the capacity to represent Palestinians inside and out the homeland. Its must remain as our sole legitimate representative

5 ) Salma / Palestine
24/08/2011 14:17
no one has the right to abandon the basic rights for Palestinians. For over six decades, the UN has approved numerous resolutions promising Palestinians their basic rights, none of which have been implemented. In September we will go to the UN to demand: Sovereignty, Equality, and the Right of Return for Palestinians NOW!

6 ) Abu Ghassan / Palestine
24/08/2011 14:21
The danger of this is that Palestinians will be redefined to a small group (35%) of the total number of Palestinians. This is even more dangerous than Oslo and the following 20 years of political prostitution we have been faced with in Palestine. The only thing left for Palestinians is the sovereignty of the people, a new elections for the PLO and the Palestinian National Council should take place in order to reclaim true representational power,and agree on a unified national plan for resistance

7 ) The UN Bid / in Legal Terms
24/08/2011 14:43

It's "a limited diplomatic initiative", that will both:
- "not have liberated territory upon which to establish a state", and
- "disenfranchise the right of the refugees to return to their homes" !!

The PLO Idiots have charged into a battle, but left their bullets home !!


8 ) Opinion / USA
24/08/2011 15:44
The actual head of the PLO is the same head of the state of Palestine declared in Algeria on November 15, 1988. So the same status will continue after the general assembly aknowledges the head of Palestinian Mission in New York as permanent representative of Palestine to the UN. The sign where Palestinian delegation sits holds the name of Palestine, not PLO. This has always been like that at the time of Zuhdi Tarazi, Naser Kidweh and Riyad Mansour.

9 ) Mounir / Sweden
24/08/2011 15:57
Unfortunately, as this document partly claims, by supporting the PA's state discourse, we are giving up our basic rights such as complete liberation of our beloved homeland, right of return and right to self-determination for all Palestininans. I hope people begin to see through this charade, through which the PA wants to regain popular support and legitimacy.

10 ) Rami / Palestine
24/08/2011 16:19
This piece gets a few things wrong I think. First, the State doesn't emerge from the PA. The State existed already since 1988. The PA is a product of the PLO. Second, the PLO doesn't vanish and will continue to exist with the State (dissolving the PLO would be a disaster and stupid). The PLO can still be the organization representing all Palestinians even after the STate is recognized by the UN. The person speaking in the UN could still be a member of the PLO after Palestine is recognized.

11 ) Em / US
24/08/2011 16:30
Really what won't be said to stop that statehood bid!!

12 ) A Palestinian / Palestine/ Sweden
24/08/2011 16:33
The claimed state will "represent" only the people living with in its "borders", it will nevertheless be legally incapable of representing the Palestinian majority i.e. the Palestinian refugees. Thinking points: *Why haven't the PA come out with a clear explanation to the September initiative? *The PA is a temporary creation of the PLO, it can not replace it. *We can not have two representative for the same people in the UN according to the UN bylaws. *Palestinian's voices shouldn't be silenced

13 ) Abu Noor / Palestine
24/08/2011 17:02
The PLO needs to be reformed with young leadership, and inclusive of all political factions - however, the PLO is still the sole representative body of ALL Palestinians whether living in Gaza, West Bank or as refugees outside the country. The PA is doing the work of the occupier by canceling the rights of refugees and entrenching Palestine's territorial discontinuity.

14 ) eporue / europe
24/08/2011 17:16
havent read through yet, but regarding the "right of return"... you will never ever, not in a million years, get this right of return anyway... trust me, this will never be "granted" in any way by the UN, not by Israel, nothing... forget it... so, this shouldnt be the point to stop you now...

15 ) Liberty / Switzerland
24/08/2011 17:38
It is an interesting article.This morning, I was just reading a 10 pages long Q&A drafted by Al-Haq. It is all legal stuff and more or less the conclusion is the opposite as what Goodwin-Gill has found. Go check http://www.alhaq.org/pdfs/qa_July_2011.pdf Notice that MA was due to meet with top US officials today. Coincidence ?! Whatever happens this bid is shaking the ground. Power and freedom to the people. Best to you all

16 ) Fred / USA
24/08/2011 17:57
Maan should refine its reporting skills. 1st, ICJ records of the legal proceedings of Palestine's appeals to the Court in 2004 on the Wall do NOT show that Goodwin-Gill was part of the Palestinian legal team. 2nd, his brief is an "opinion", not fact, regarding a UN initiative. 3rd, the right to self-determination means a people freely choosing their political status - so if the Palestinian people and leaders choose the PLO to be their supreme governing, then so it is, as it remains now at UN!

17 ) Fred / USA
24/08/2011 18:02
To add, that the Palestinian team that "won" the ICJ ruling in 2004 was actually led by Palestine's representative to the UN, Al-Kidwa. Give credit where credit is due.

18 ) Jackie / USA
24/08/2011 18:03
Only we Palestinians can, and must, hold our leadership accountable. The names and faces that are currently in office do not represent the Palestinian collective political will and therefore must be democratically replaced with people that have a clear strategy of liberation of Palestine and return.

19 ) jerusalemite / palestine
24/08/2011 18:05
Why would we ever give up the PLO without achieving liberation and return?? We're not even close! We need a democratic PLO - one Palestinian, one vote for the PNC wherever they are.

20 ) Mel / USA
24/08/2011 18:06
"...there will no longer be an institution that can represent the inalienable rights of the entire Palestinian people in the UN and related international institutions.." ?? Despite the fact the US govt & Israeli govts have both happily met,liased,made deals with PLO/PA/Fatah groups etc with enthusiasm up until now? So,Palestine goes to the UN,& PA/Fatah is not recognized? The PLO is a political party like Fatah,Hamas etc.But the UN desk is 'Palestine',collectively.Nationality= institution=unity

21 ) Filipe / Portugal
24/08/2011 18:07
Hmmmmm........

Sounds like you need to go back to the negotiating table and give up on this wet dream of acceptance by the UN !

22 ) Mohammad A./USPCN Michigan / USA
24/08/2011 18:13
The PLO is the only unifying institution for all the Palestinian People wherever they are and it must be preserved till the actual Israeli withdrawal or liberation of the Occupied Territories , granting the Palestinian refugees the right to return to Palestine and the establishment of an independent State. A new PNC should be elected from all the Palestinian people in the Occupied Territories and in the Diaspora based on one man one vote. The new PNC should elect a new PLO leadership based on

23 ) 3omar / palestine
24/08/2011 18:25
I hope all those working in foreign NGOs who have been responsible for building up the PA in the name of 'supporting the palestinian people' read this and wake up to the fact that they are in part responsible for leading us to this situation! The PA is not and can never be our representative. Only the PLO is... but where is all the 'democracy' funding and 'capacity building' for its institutions??

24 ) Tony / Ireland
24/08/2011 19:18
Surely an independent state has the right to deal with its refugees as it sees fit?!

25 ) Hani / Amman
24/08/2011 19:41
any explanation from PLO ?

26 ) Jad / Ramallah
24/08/2011 19:43
I see no point in forming any policy toward the PLO as long as this organization remains paralyzed with no proper policy of its own, no functional institutions, no constitution that reflects the current Palestinian challenges, and no proper representations. This is to say the least.

27 ) Ayham / Dubai
24/08/2011 19:44
For decades of my life I defended the role and status of the Palestine Liberation Organization as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. I have always maintained that if the PLO did not exit then we Palestinians would have to invent it. Indeed, Palestinians need an international unified spokes-organization. However, the PLO I knew and loved, if it ever existed, does not exist today.

28 ) Raed Abu Amr / Gaza
24/08/2011 19:48
For years, Palestinians have been clamoring for reform of the PLO. Indeed, the electoral success of Hamas is indicative of a popular rejection of the legendary incompetence and corruption within the PLO. To make matters worse the PLO has mounted no meaningful effort to reform itself. The primary reason why the PLO has not been reformed lies with its leadership. For example, the PLO’s Chairman, Mahmoud Abbas, who “inherited” the reins of power after Arafat was poisoned, would loose power.

29 ) Jamal / Nablus
24/08/2011 19:50
Are we wrong to ask the Palestine Liberation Organization where is the part of Palestine it intends to “liberate”? What is its concept of “liberation”? What is left of its “organization”? How does the PLO unite and empower the Palestinian masses today? This brings us to the central problem with the PLO. Whatever the PLO was it is no longer. Let us not fool ourselves. In its present form the PLO will never be much more than the Palestinian Authority. It doesn’t matter who claims to be the head

30 ) PLO FIGHTER / Jenin
24/08/2011 20:10
PLO MEANS Yaser Arafat, Abu Jihad al-Wazir, Ali Hassan Salameh ,Abu Youssef, Kamel Adwan, Kamal Nasser,Hayel abd alhamed . Too sad they all were killed by zionists. what we have today ? abu mazen, dahlan. rajoub, altayeb abdela abdel rahim, Mere mention of their names makes me to want o vomit.

31 ) George / Palestine
24/08/2011 20:10
There is a huge misunderstanding. The initiative is NOT intended to replace the PLO with a Palestinian State. All what they are doing is wanting to get a full membership at the United Nations.

32 ) Samer / Dubai
24/08/2011 20:38
now and then the PLO WILL REMAIN sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian People.

33 ) Long time observer / Thailand
24/08/2011 21:06
The displacement and treatment of the Palestinians by Israel and the USA is an international disgrace. Israel is more concerned about the negative publicity the campaign is focusing on Israel rather than the limited realities of Palestinian statehood by UN.

34 ) James Hovland / USA
24/08/2011 21:12
The spirit of the people is what holds the people together. That is what created the PLO the PA, etc... The reason Israel and the US reject recognition before negotiations is because recognition is all they have to offer. Recognition at the UN will end Israel's claims that the land is disputed and thus set the legal stage to stop Israel's settlement activity, end the occupation and ensure your rights. Palestine can then be a state of your own design, but first the status quo has to change.

35 ) Abdullah / uk
24/08/2011 22:22
nothing is going to happen... its all talk... as long as isreal has an army and settlers in the westbank there will never be a palestinian state, even if the bid gets accepted... theyll just say," the hell with the UN" than kick all the pali's out...

36 ) Marwa Barakat / USA
24/08/2011 22:34
The PA has been attempting to define Palestinian state subjects as those within the '67 territories for years now, hence their continued rhetorical focus on ending the "occupation" and "siege" as opposed to referencing "apartheid," which includes Palestinians in Israel. They have also abandoned the right of return as the Palestinian Papers recently revealed. We Palestinians have to be clear that we want the PLO to be our representative body, as it represents all of us.

37 ) southparkbear / usa
24/08/2011 23:37
hehehe, there is always a catch. You can't be refugee forever. Once a state you will have to live like a state that is no more beggers' money

38 ) ANIS / jerusalem
25/08/2011 01:35
according to Oslo there is recognition between Israel and PLO, Israel extremely against recognition of Palestinian state. Any explanation of this contradiction to above report

39 ) MG / Palestine
25/08/2011 01:52
"In any case, the PLO and the Palestinian people were not aware that by losing the PLO as representative at the UN....Now they are" Prof.Nabulsi I am sure you just like every one of us know that the PA knows this, its actually an embarrassment to assume or to claim they don't know or have not researched the implications and consequences of such a move, I think the problem is not ignorance its rather the desperate attempt of the PA to maintain the status quo and recreate this fallacy of 2 states

40 ) Vacy / Australia
25/08/2011 01:54
When Timor Leste won its right to self-determination, the UN oversaw popular elections and a diasporan Timorese became PM, now Horta is president.

41 ) Colin Wright / USA
25/08/2011 02:07
I dunno -- all that power, all that progress... It's a lot to risk. Anyway, as far as I can see, all that's happening legally is that the UN is acknowledging that the PA embodies the Palestinian state it created in 1947. On the ground, of course, the UN would need to do something about Israel's rather extensive encroachments on the 1947 borders. Something like the resolution passed in response to the 1950 North Korean invasion of South Korea would be in order, I would think.

42 ) Rafiq / USA
25/08/2011 02:13
The PLO and the PA have been taking us from one loosing battle to another. I am confident now this PA plot is an Israeli/ American plot, they work hand and hand. We the Palestinians need a new leadership, that looks after our needs and national interest not a PA that looks after their self interest. It is time for a Palestinian Spring.

43 ) Arnold / Canada
25/08/2011 03:58
Seems like this September move is not as simple as we all thought.

44 ) auct rafiq / usa
25/08/2011 04:11
I agree with my brother rafiq. More over the mossad is briefing bargouti telling him what to do when they let him leave the resort he is in now

45 ) Loai / Jordan
25/08/2011 08:54
We should not let anything prevent us from achieving our Palestinian Statehood. This is our right and we should take it. Trusting our leaders, and together we can make it.

46 ) Rabi / Palestine
25/08/2011 09:20
How can i obtain a copy of the 7 page report ?
any advice

47 ) Abu Adam / Palestine
25/08/2011 09:37
SAVE PLO. There is no way that any Palestinian can choose one option of the two (Country or Refugees return home). But in terms of rights; we should not put the refugee case on a critical situation! This case is the Palestinian case itself . No compromises in this issue, and if there is, it should be more valuable than the refugees case - nothing will ever be more important, even the Palestinian state it self. The Palestinian state is not a Palestinian state without Palestinian refugees rights.

48 ) Sammie Anderson / England
25/08/2011 10:20
last month I read an opinion by Dr Saeb Shaath a Former PLO Rep and an Expert on Mid East He was saying exactly the same ,short but was to the point and he said the PA leadership are gambling with the Palestinians rights and specifically the right of return and self determination ...he accuses the PA of knowing the danger but going ahead with it!

49 ) aziz nasereddin / palestine
25/08/2011 10:22
bunch of horse shit ,the UN is finished any way.

50 ) Rami / Palestine
25/08/2011 10:53
Long live Israel.

51 ) Khader / Palestine
25/08/2011 11:57
What a gift to Israel and the US!

52 ) Jafar M. Ramini / United Kingdom
25/08/2011 11:57
My compatriots, enough talk please. Enough breast-beating. We have lost enough time and enough land. We are not represented by anybody. Not the PLO, not Fatah, not Hamas, or any other faction. How? Why? Because we have never been consulted. Time to have our voices heard. Time to start a referendum. Please read this, consider your options and engage. We cannot afford to be absent anymore. Our future and that of Palestine is at stake. http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx?articleNO=12882

53 ) Deegee / Australia
25/08/2011 13:12
Even worse. Lebanon, Syria and Jordan having voted for a Palestinian State could then legally expel the Palestinian refugees 'back' to that state as a refugee with a state is by definition not a refugee.

54 ) Lanna / Switzerland
25/08/2011 13:47
Dear Diaspora, speciall you who are living in Europa, USD, Canada and Australia, Come back and leave in the West Bank and Gaza. All of you have citizenship there. You can travel, you can go on holiday but most of you just talk bull-sheet twhen you talk about refuges. You do not care about them. My question is how long people in oPt will live under occupation? What is PLO? A group of well paid people who are leaving comfortable mostly abroad. Instead of talking bull-sheet force the Arab count

55 ) Tom Bernaux / Spain
25/08/2011 13:57
@42 nice conspiracy theory, Rafiq. But what about the iranian-syrian conspiracy, which competes with the saudi conspiracy for influence in Palestine. You feel better represented by them? Just asking.

56 ) Steven Gilbert / USA
25/08/2011 14:57
There is no right of return! Get over it and contribute to the Arab states in which you now reside.

57 ) southparbear / usa
25/08/2011 16:55
if the DJI is up in September no one will have time to read about palestinians as they will try to recover loses. if it is down, forget it you won't be on page 8 of any media report

58 ) Gary / usa
25/08/2011 17:01
Israel is successful because they built institutions that represent them. Diaspora Jews sent money. Israelis built their state with their blood and guts.

Palestinian Arabs and other peoples seeking statehood should learn from this model. How dare those living outside demand sacrifices from those living the day to day hardships. Get real. There never will be any return. The best case scenario has been offered. Decision: Build a state or destroy Israel? Outsiders should have no voice. You left.

59 ) Ramallah is an isolated island / Palestine
25/08/2011 19:15
I can't understand the central premise of this article, which is that asking for upgrading the status of Palestine at the UN will mean the end of the PLO. The UN recognizes the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people--all of them. Only the PLO can make whatever move will be made at the UN. A UN decision on a state's membership doesn't mean that the UN determines who is that state's government: only its people can do that.

60 ) Salma / Palestine
25/08/2011 20:27
@ 56 Steven , Palestinians are not red Indians . ans "Israel" is not America.

61 ) Tibi / Tubas
25/08/2011 20:47

EUROPEAN COUNTRIES and the USA fought enemies for freedom.
- They defeated enemy armies on the battlefield, and then
they NEGOTIATED PEACE TREATIES, to end their conflicts !!!

That may have been a long time ago, but it still applies today,
as shown by the South Sudan freedom example, and the
- Palestinians will have to do the same thing, and accept that
their position in any NEGOTIATIONS is greatly weakened, since
they can NOT win a war, and only rarely even a single battle !!!!


62 ) Rafiq / USA
25/08/2011 21:39
It is sad when someone says the truth, those who have no response, to it label it as A conspiracy theory. Look at the history of the PLO and the PA since their inception. Let us ask our selves are we better off today as Palestinians than we were in 1964? I do not want to be represented by the Iranians nor the Syrian, or the Saudis, Mr. Tom/Spain. I want to be represented by the people I choose through true democratic elections. Dump the PLO and the PA. they were not elected by the people.

63 ) Amira / Canada
25/08/2011 23:07
Beware. See who wrote the article: Jewish supporter of Israel (hashbara).

and see here what China said:
The Palestinian UN bid does not contradict the peace process or hinder negotiations, and the fair solution is to establish a Palestinian state on 1967 borders, the Chinese envoy said.

64 ) Colin Wright / USA
26/08/2011 00:39
To Steven Gilbert #56 'There is no right of return! Get over it and contribute to the Arab states in which you now reside.' This is a curiously self-defeating argument, as if 'there is no right of return,' then what happens to the argument for a Jewish state in Palestine?

65 ) Opinion / USA
26/08/2011 00:41
Planners only win and succeed. Passive objectors are not giving an alternative. It's easy to say: It's wrong". Show us what's right.

66 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
26/08/2011 01:34
Does this news article hold the Ma'an News Agency's world record for number of comments posted ??? (If not, it must be damn close.)

67 ) Shlomo / Israel
26/08/2011 02:51
Palestinian people should have a state! Jewish people should have one too! problem is factors on both sides try and bring one state on expense of the other, this "right of return" issue is a good example to that, since this demand in its root does not accept a Jewish state existing next to the Palestinian one! how do you expect Israel to allow agree to a state the doesn't accept it as its neighbor? Palestinian refugees can always go live in the Palestinian state to come!!! (not in Israel)

68 ) Mel / USA
26/08/2011 15:10
58#Gary: You're not too old Gary?Else you'd remember that "Israelis built their state",on top of "the blood and guts" of native,indigenous Palestinian people.Read the real history not the revised version,& you will know the Palestinian people never "left" voluntarily. Only driven out,expelled,exterminated,and all they had i.e.land,homes,possessions, passports/papers,jewelry ransacked & looted.Many put into trucks & forced to cross into camps in Jordan,Leb.Gaza. Zionism is the "outsiders".

69 ) Realist / UK
27/08/2011 00:31
The UN is incapable of applying its own resolutions of 242 and 338. What difference will September 20th make whether the Palestinians gain full membership at the UN or a recognition of a State? The UN is a meaningless organisation to be truthfull. It is NATO, America and the EU that run the world, and whatever they say goes.

70 ) Tomaso / Italy
27/08/2011 16:29
It would be extremely important to look at the details of the proposed resolution. Having a recognized state is not a problem per se; the real issue is having a state that cannot exercise its sovereign power on its own territory, as it would be: you couldn't call it a state, but only a surrogate (or a little xmas present for not-informed Palestinian people). @Shlomo: to return means to go back home, to the place they belong. How do you expect people to accept to erase their roots?

71 ) southparkbear / usa
28/08/2011 01:51
#62 I truelly wished you could casue that would also mean peace. but looking at the deck of cards you would have to live for 200 years to see that coming. Palestinians society frankly is not ready to be in somali yet

72 ) Robert Haymond / Israel/Canada
28/08/2011 05:34
I get it: The most responses in the three years I've been reading Maan. And, furthermore, real Arabs, many from the region, interested and concerned about the machinations of the authorities which represent them to the international community. And something more: Arabs not demonizing Israel but trying to rethink how they should be represented. The posters who speak out here (as opposed to those dunces whose only claim to the written word is to critique Israel) should comment more often.

73 ) Jacques Salles / France
28/08/2011 10:46
Today "Oslo Agreements" are considered by a majority as eighteen years for nothing .... except for Isra?l which is the big winner : settlements' extension, military weapons' strenghtening - a 6th submarine fit out with nuclear missiles -
Let's hope we won't have to wait for 18 years more, to be sorry for having done this second mistake : it's OSLO bis with one difference : instead of being dealt between Palestinians and Israelians, il will be dealt By U.N.O.

74 ) WBMD / USA
28/08/2011 15:12
Almost every one of the comments here confirm what the Israelis believe - that the Palestinian goal remains the eradication of the nation state of the Jewish People, and NOT!! "2 state for2 people". As long as the Israelis remain unconvinced, the choices will continue to be stalemate, or violence.

75 ) John / USA
28/08/2011 22:16
72) Interesting comment coming from a criminal settler. Akin to a neoNazi speaking on the topic of Jewish suffering.

76 ) TheAZCowBoy / Tombstone, AZ
29/08/2011 23:44
Re: Eureka.... the sky is falling in!

Remain calm, cool and collected folks. The Palestinians will survive the fools that predict doom and gloom at the thought of a free and democratic Palestinian State.

Who was it that said..... "There's a sucker born every minute?" P.T. Goldman...eer...eer...eer, Goldman Sach's? ....eer...eer...eer, I mean P. T. Barum, of course.... LOL!

Long live Palestine and God bless the Palestinian's. OLE!!!

77 ) David S / USA
31/08/2011 01:19
The idea of a Palestinian State that solves the problems of all Palestinians is a pipe dream. There is not a right of return for those Palestinians who are descendents of the people who left in 1949 any more than Jews can start taking over parts of Germany, Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Without recognizing that fact, there is zero chance of peace.

78 ) sami / canada
06/09/2011 06:02
I think if the Palestinians can get international recognition as a state on the FULL West Bank and Gaza that would be a great acheivment. Israel would have to withdraw its entire army and settlements, and if it refuses to do so, would probably the entire world against it.

On the Right of Return Palestinians have every moral right to demand this, but Israel would NEVER let the refugees return. So do the productive thing and stop Israel from annexing 2/3 of the West Bank and God bless you.

79 ) housolaw / usa
07/09/2011 13:25
The solution is to make israel/palestine the 51st state and get over it. Neither exists without the US anyway

80 ) Ben Ami / US
13/09/2011 02:09
#64 - The answer is that Jews have a right of return to part of their ancestorial homeland - the country of Israel. When Israel was created, the Jews accepted the reality that the Jewish homeland would not be the total area of their ancestorial land. Will the Palestinians? Here is a question for the future Palestinian state - will Jews be allowed to live within that state, own land in that state and be free to practice their religion without fear?

81 ) dan / Israel/US
19/09/2011 09:51
Everyone has been missing the one easy solution to the conflict: mass conversion of Palestinians to Judaism. For many, it would be a return to your true roots anyway... Israel would give full citizenship to all Jewish Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and diaspora, and could then annex the territories confident that a Jewish majority would be preserved in the State of Israel. Jewish Palestinians abroad could return to their ancestral homes. The one-state solution would work!

82 ) Selina Owen / Papua New Guinea
17/05/2013 02:39
Im my opinion, I think that the Palestinians should move themselves over to the nearby Arab countries and be part of them like Syria, Egypt or Lebanon. Just distribute them into those neighbouring states and thats it job done otherwise I agree with the comment of point number 81 above.

83 ) Selina Owen / Papua New Guinea
02/07/2013 07:08
The Arab world is charesterised by terror and thre three nos which is uniformly agreed by all against Israel. They have common believes, religion, and cultures therefore it is easier to be part of them then holding Israel and the world at ransom in the use of human, financial and other resources to quench the fire that is raging on in the region.
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