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Does the Palestinian UN bid threaten refugee rights?
Published Monday 29/08/2011 (updated) 03/09/2011 12:05
A Palestinian child holds a flag during a protest against Israeli soldiers
demolishing a park in the West Bank village of Azzoun near Qalqiliya, February
21, 2008. [MaanImages/KhaleelReash]
BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- As the leadership in Ramallah prepares to approach the UN for membership in September, it is also fighting back charges that its initiative is shortsighted and even a threat to Palestinian refugees.

Last week Ma'an published for the first time findings by an international law expert that the gambit could alter the PLO's status as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. The legal opinion, by Guy Goodwin-Gill of Oxford University, argued that the Diaspora could be left disenfranchised if this happened.

Now Goodwin-Gill's legal opinion is the focus of debate, with a number of experts arguing that it is too limited in scope to judge the UN initiative. Ma'an asked four more international law scholars to weigh in.

Shawan Jabareen, director of Palestinian human rights group Al-Haq

Goodwin-Gill raises serious questions, and his opinion was submitted in good faith taking into account Palestinian interests in a professional way. However, we believe the concerns he raised have been exaggerated and misunderstood. This opinion is one of many, and others argue that UN membership is not a threat to anyone.

Our reading is that refugee rights will not be damaged because they are rights in spite of the institution representing the Palestinian people at the UN. Palestine will continue to represent the rights of the Palestinians, including the right of return and self-determination, the latter only being possible alongside the return.

For the refugees, the PLO will continue functioning as the official representative of the Palestinian people in the Diaspora. Even at the UN, it is the PLO itself which is submitting the request that a state called Palestine be allowed to have membership.

The initiative raises some concerns, and they must be considered. But we cannot exaggerate the risks. The real concern is from a political side: Do our leaders possess the will to uphold our rights? These rights are not negotiable. So, we must push the leaders to stand behind our rights. International law must be the basis.

Abdel Razzaq Takriti, activist and political historian at Oxford University

The United Nations is where a people's legal representation sits. It is recognized by the international system within the United Nations. So the simple act of replacing the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people with a state removes the claims of the PLO to sovereign status as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

This cannot be in dispute, for this is what is being proposed now. It does not matter if the Arab League or any other groupings of states recognize and deal with us as the "State of Palestine". Nor does it matter that, out of courtesy protocol, we have been given the name, or "designation" of the State of Palestine by the UN. The PLO is still the sole representative of the Palestinian people at the UN, and this is where it mattered, and this is what is now being proposed to be changed at the UN.

This is far from being a mere technical issue, but a critical one with both political and legal ramifications of a serious nature, and which is rehearsed fully in the opinion.

Most damaging is that this initiative changes our ability as a people to represent the totality of our inalienable rights. Through the PLO and its seat at the UN, the majority of Palestinians, who actually live outside the West Bank and Gaza, now have representation as equal members of the body politic under a single structure, and which was achieved by a previous generation in 1974 after enormous sacrifices. This principle, of the political equality of Palestinians inside Palestine with the refugees outside, will be completely lost if the PLO is substituted by the State of Palestine.

Francis Boyle, advisor to the PLO and professor of international law

The opinion is based upon erroneous assumptions. Rather than disenfranchising the Diaspora, when a Palestinian state is declared in September, every Palestinian living in the world will have the right to become a citizen of a UN member state.

In 1988, the Palestinian Declaration of Independence was approved by the Palestinian National Council representing all Palestinians. The executive committee of the PLO was next set up as the Provisional Government for the State of Palestine. In addition, the Declaration of Independence also provides that all Palestinians living around the world automatically become citizens of the State of Palestine.

The executive committee of the PLO in its capacity as the provisional government will continue to represent the interests of all Palestinians around the world when Palestine becomes a state. No one will be disenfranchised. The PLO will not lose its status.

All of their rights have been protected and will be protected by Palestine becoming a member state of the United Nations, including the right of return.

In the memo I originally did for President Arafat and the PLO back in 1988, I explained how we could obtain UN membership. All of the advice that I gave to Arafat and the PLO in 1987 to 1989 was originally premised on the assumption that someday we would apply for UN membership. That day has come. Please move forward.

John Quigley, author and professor of international and comparative law

The initiative is no threat to the Palestinians, and it will only improve their standing. This is because as a matter of international law, states must ensure that human rights are not being violated.

If Palestine were to become a member state it would be interacting with other states, and this is a much stronger position. It can pursue remedies at the diplomatic level in its capacity as a state. It will do favors for other states. It can demand favors in return. It can also pursue prosecutions of Israeli officials for war crimes, such as settlements, putting pressure on Israel on an issue that has been the principal obstacle to a peace settlement. Palestine will have leverage that is presently lacking.

This is all missing from the Goodwin-Gill opinion because he was not asked to deal with it, just the issue of an upgrade. His opinion does not relate to UN membership, and does not purport to have any relevance to the issue of UN membership.

Rather than posing a threat to the refugees, the refugees will in fact be in a much stronger position. Legally, while people might leave states, if the refugees are nationals then the state cannot refuse to allow nationals to return. It is safe to assume that Israel will use this as a pretext to argue that the refugees can only return to their new state, but they will always find a reason not to allow the refugees to return.

Goodwin-Gill and others in civil society also view the bid as a threat to the PLO, but this too is exaggerated. It was the PLO that decided in 1988 to constitute itself as the government of the State of Palestine, making clear that all Palestinians would be represented by it. The General Assembly accepted the PLO as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. That is what it was asked to do at the time, and that is what it is likely to do in September if asked to accept Palestine as a state.
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1 ) southparkbera / usa
29/08/2011 21:15
wink wink, NO

2 ) Lanan / Switzerland
29/08/2011 21:38
The people is always better represented by a state than by some representative body like PLO. It is PLO people outside of Palestine who are running this campaign against UN bid as well as some radical leftist who are living on Palestine issues. They do not care that the people in West Bank and Gaza are under occupation through generations.

3 ) Khader / Palestine
29/08/2011 23:07
I would not talk about a campaign against the UN bid but a campaign against Palestine. I, just as mot of our people, support the UN bid a step towards our liberation. The rest are only political assumptions rather than legal concerns.

4 ) THERE IS / NO SUCH THING
30/08/2011 00:13
as "Palestinian refugee rights to threaten", but the UN bid will NOT help refugees either (Returning is Fantasy.), and may hurt other Palestinians,
if Israel ends all Oslo cooperations, without replacing it with something !!!


5 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
30/08/2011 00:35
Americans are hypocritical and deceptive towards the Palestinians as is our government (it continually--since Oslo--"baits" them to hope they'll believe we really do want to give them a nation west of the Jordan River) but I refuse to play that game. No one can accuse me of being dishonest nor deceptive. Ma'an News Agency has done an excellent job of reporting several expert, legal opinions about Palestinian sovereignty. From a U.N. perspective, it IS unfair for us to deny them (continued)

6 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
30/08/2011 00:56
a nation. Assume, for the moment, there is no terrorism (by either side), Fatah, Hamas and all Palestinian factions are completely united and the Palestinians have all their own national institutions (banking, farming, construction, medical care, etc.) working. Now along comes the U.N. and recognizes and approves them. That's basically how WE were back in May, 1949 when the U.N. admitted us. Isn't that what observing the decision of international law is all about ??? It sure as (continued)

7 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
30/08/2011 01:26
hell is. So what's our problem ??? ... because we are prohibited and banned by G_d's commandments in our sacred Torah from giving up that land we captured 44 years ago. We should never have left Gaza (we'll get it back ... don't lecture me about our "secularism"--we're working on that). Regarding the Palestinians, to those who criticize us for championing international law when it's in our favor but failing to abide by it if it's against us, I admit, your criticism is, logically, correct.

8 ) Robby / USA
30/08/2011 01:26
I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't allowing refugees to vote in the new Palestine sort of make them citizens? And if so, would that jeopardize the so-called "right of return", i.e. prevent them from becoming Israeli citizens?

9 ) Nour / One State
30/08/2011 08:18
#1 Wink wink, get lost! Get your love somewhere else!

10 ) EE / UK
30/08/2011 14:03
Francis Boyle forgot that Palestine would never become a UN member, just an observer state. And it will replace PLO in that capacity of observer state – not big deal, who cares about observer.

11 ) BEN JAB / ISRAEL
30/08/2011 14:11
9 ) Nour / get your State someplace else

Because one thing is for certain, it isn't going to be here, since no such thing as an independent Palestine, never existed, nowhere nowhow
You tried to answer my questions, doing the usual, making a total fool of yourself, which was no surprise to anyone that knows you

Wink Wink ad infiniturm,it will only reamain a speck in your eye, never to be an actuality

12 ) Ali / Scot'
30/08/2011 14:13
Refugees have the right to go back to the exact location that they were displaced from. Go kick those Israelis out of your homes,that what Israel does

13 ) Robby / USA
30/08/2011 15:33
12 ) Ali / Scot' - Do you think it is true of all refugees, or only Palestinians?

14 ) MOHAMED / SOMALIA
30/08/2011 18:05
AHA THE ZIONISM.

15 ) em / us
30/08/2011 18:43
All of the 'policy - legality invention sounds like spin from certain american congressional aids, whose job it is to use legislative jargon to confuse people. DON'T BE CONFUSED - GET A STATE.

16 ) Arnold / Canada
30/08/2011 20:35
Yehuda Solomon. Thank you for your diatribe. Now answer this question. If the mandated Israeli portion of Palestine would have been anihalated in 1947 by the Palestinian Arabs , Egypt, Syria,Jordon,Iraq ,and Lebanon...Would there have been anything to bring to the UN table in 1949 to be recognized ? Noone ever answers this question for me. Maybe you can.

17 ) Khader / Palestine
30/08/2011 22:18
The right to statehood is only one of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Return and statehood have been always treated separately, and whoever says that statehood endangers the right to return is simply buying the Israeli argument.

18 ) David / Canada
31/08/2011 01:29
During the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference attended by Israel and the Arab states (with Palestinian representatives included in Syria's delegation), all parties, including Israel (as a precondition for subsequently being granted UN membership), agreed to negotiate borders based on the 1947 UNGA Partition Plan (Res. 181). Israel also pledged to abide by UNGA Resolution 194 calling for repatriation and/or financial compensation for the then more than 800,000 Palestinian refugees. Israel reneged.

19 ) southparkbear / usa
31/08/2011 03:01
I agree with #12, palestinians go back to Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt etc

20 ) Expect Violence Soon / Truth
31/08/2011 04:25

Now they will have something else to riot about,
since the Block will be reported as "legal"

"Officials: Report expected to uphold Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza Strip, place Ankara in negative light; ‘Mavi Marmara’ suit shelved amid fears Israel could win legal challenge, says Kuwaiti daily." (Jpost.com)


21 ) BEN JABO / ISRAEL
31/08/2011 15:48
18 ) David / Canada

You seem to have forgotten all about the 1956, 1967 & 1973 Wars that Arabs waged against Isra el, defiance of the UN

Jews, by the way, are still waiting for compensation for what they had to leave behind when they were forced to flee the Arab lands they had resided in

BTW- How come no mention of Palestine or Jerusalem in the Koran ?

22 ) BEN JABO / ISRAEL
31/08/2011 15:56
You had a statehood offered you, UN Res. 181 (UN Partition Plan) you rejected it, in preference to attacking Israel in the War of 1948, as you so conveniently forgotten

You have only your own leaders to blame, and those that followed them like sheep, they promised you would returned to conquered Jewish land after the war, which didn't work at as your side had planned
You’re crying over milk you spilled yourselves


23 ) BEN JABO / ISRAEL
31/08/2011 16:01
12 ) Ali / Scot

I almost agree with you, let's return the Arabs to Arabia, from whence they came

Jews have returned to their homeland
Jews=Judea
Arabs = Arabia


16 ) Arnold / Canada

Hypothetical Questions, which isn't worth 2 cents, besides the first war was waged in 1948, not 1947, so right off the bat your question is a farce

24 ) mohammed / Ramallah
31/08/2011 16:31
I am sorry to have to write on the English site of Maannews because participation/comment is not activated on the Arabic site read mostly by Palestinians. This issue would and should generate a lot of debate amongst the Palestinians, but there seems to be a gagging order from higher authorities to suppress any debate of this wreckless move in September. Shame on you Maan for denying the Palestinians a platform to speak out.

25 ) Mohammad / Palestine
31/08/2011 16:54
"Rather than posing a threat to the refugees, the refugees will in fact be in a much stronger position. Legally, while people might leave states, if the refugees are nationals then the state cannot refuse to allow nationals to return..." This is true if the new state encompass all of Palestine, but it only covers 1967-borders, and most refugees were evicted from what is now Israel. So the refugees will lose the right to return to Israel (their original home) to gain the right to return to 1967..

26 ) Yehuda Israel / Israel
31/08/2011 18:28
@ 16) Arnold / Canada, When you ask me a direct question, I will always submit a direct answer (and hopefully Ma'an News Agency will post it). Here it is: No, there absolutely, positively would not have been anything to bring to the U.N. table in 1949 to be recognized. So, if I read you right (if not, say so) your point is, if we annex and expel the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza (destroying their presence there) we'd be doing to them what we ourselves would have hated (continued)

27 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
31/08/2011 18:43
to happen back in 1947 (our presence being destroyed and NO where else to go in all of Palestine). The big difference is: After we gained our independence and if, today, the Palestinians were expelled, they would still have a Palestinian nation to peacefully go to, exist and build their prosperity. That nation is JORDAN (the so-called "East Bank") where so many Palestinians have and still live happily today. Jordan has granted them full citizenship.

28 ) eporue / europe
31/08/2011 19:05
yehuda solomon: "...because we are prohibited and banned by G_d's commandments in our sacred Torah from giving up that land we captured 44 years ago."... QUESTION: what ranks higher, that readings in the bible you found, or the (10) commandments ?

29 ) Karma Nashashibi / Jerusalem
31/08/2011 20:43
#24 Mohammad, excellent point ! shame on MAAN indeed, the comment must be activated on the Arabic and english site . Hello Maan, Can you hear us?!

30 ) Abed / Gaza
31/08/2011 21:00
#24mohammed ) I salute you. sadly MAAN does not care about our opinions.

31 ) Colin Wright / USA
31/08/2011 23:25
If you can't dazzle them with genius, baffle them with bullshit. Of COURSE Palestine needs to be independent, and OF COURSE it's futile to wait on Israel to give the Palestinians their state. I hope no one is allowing all these red herrings to distract them or weaken their resolve to pursue the admission of Palestine to the UN. It's the first step on the road to a free Palestine, and that's the beginning and end of it.

32 ) Colin Wright / USA
31/08/2011 23:31
To Ben Jabo #23 ' almost agree with you, let's return the Arabs to Arabia, from whence they came...Jews have returned to their homeland...' Happily, 'the Arabs' never left Arabia, so no problem there. To be precise, about the only substantial Arab emigration was into what is now Iraq. As to 'the Jews returning', also no problem. 'The Jews' never left. The only problem is that today they are known as 'Palestinians,' and people like you fantasize that you have a right to dispossess them.

33 ) Colin Wright / USA
31/08/2011 23:44
re Ben Jabo #23 'I almost agree with you, let's return the Arabs to Arabia, from whence they came...' (I) One wonders if Ben Jabo ever reflects on the fantastic improbability of what he is proposing. Arabia proper is a barren place, capable of supporting perhaps one percent of the population supported by the swath of lands now considered 'Arab.' Does he really think that 'Arabs' miraculously multiplied a hundred-fold to replace the populations of everything all the way to Morocco?

34 ) Colin Wright / USA
31/08/2011 23:49
re Ben Jabo #23 'I almost agree with you, let's return the Arabs to Arabia, from whence they came...' (II) There is no evidence of a wholesale displacement of populations, nor did any such thing happen. What DID happen is that people took up the religion of Islam, and with it, the language and identity of being 'Arab.' In general, no one WENT anywhere. Everyone's right where they started -- including the 'Palestinians.' Zionism is a piece of vicious nonsense.

35 ) Mohammad / Palestine
01/09/2011 01:22
*17-Khader- yes, the right of refugees and self-determination were treated separately by different UN resolutions, but it is because they resulted from different events: UN194 from 1948 expulsion, 338 & 242 from 1967 occupation of WB and G. But going to UN now will mean the New Palestinian State - on 1967 borders- will replace the PLO seat at the UN- which means both the refugees and 5 million palestinians outside this state will lose a representative at the international level. Why do it?

36 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
01/09/2011 03:54
@ 28) eporue / europe, Excellent question. Answer: Yes, the so-called Ten Commandments rank higher. They actually have the highest rank out of a total of 613 commandments. I know what you're thinking. The explanation: Even for the sake of obeying international law, we are still prohibited and banned by G_d from violating ANY commandment He has given us, no matter what rank. We always rank our sacred Torah's 613 G_d-given commandments higher than any secular or people-made laws.

37 ) Yehuda Solomon / Israel
01/09/2011 04:08
@ 28) eporue / europe, One more quick point for clarification: Of course, in modern society, there have evolved a necessity for certain people-made laws that have far greater practical importance (obeying traffic laws to avoid killing people, for example) than some of our Torah laws (prohibition against using wool and linen together in making our clothing, for example) that are for specific reasons. Our Torah commandments about land occupation are of national importance.

38 ) Khader / Palestine
01/09/2011 12:30
Mohammad, unfortunately it seems some people are blind and dont want to see any succesful move from the PLO: Our representation stays as it is. The State of Palestine has an interim government called PLO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. This provision was given to the UN in December 1988 to represent all Palestinians until there is an effective liberation and a final status agreement. I think your concerns are right, but please dont buy the Israeli argument that statehood and return are the linked.

39 ) BEN JABO / ISRAEL
01/09/2011 15:55
34 ) Colin Wright / USA

Whether you agree or disagree is immaterial, since you refuse to come here to express your opinions in person or to at least observe what's going on
Grow a pair of cojones, put some starch in your backbone, then opine
Your actual preference is hiding behind your computer, just as a child hides behind his mother's skirt

40 ) southparkbear / usa
01/09/2011 21:14
since we are on the subject could someone spell for me what rights? to work? there's unemployment everywhere. to decent lives? as a late comer to the arab world take a number and wait. maybe this will improve in 100 years. women's rights? no such thing in arab muslims societies. On the other hand israel has the right not to be bother by you

41 ) rahool ali / rep of trinidad and tobago
01/09/2011 23:53
i am not very aware of what the masses really want, but in todays world, when parents leave a property and children to live in the same land, the generation has a right to further develop the inheritance and continue to become leaders by profession and good cultural and creative art forms and practices, . considering these potentials, in a people, and the world giving them a chance to develop their own skills, we can now forget silly advisors and start working towards Our new palestine .:)

42 ) BEN JABO / ISRAEL
02/09/2011 15:43
38 ) Khader
An "Interim Government" is like a patch on a tire, it's as much of a Government as the patch is a tire, it's only temporary, not good for the long haul
Has your "Interim" Government issued any of it's own money as yet?
Passports ? Government Bonds ?Devices that are intended for International useage ?

43 ) Dennis / USA
06/09/2011 06:35
We, in the United States have been deceived for so long on this entire issue. When I started reading books and foreign news sites, I understood the full story from both sides. Ben Jabo, yes there are Palestine National Authority passports (my wife has one and also a Jordanian passport) and the Arabs did not start the 1967 war. Moshe Dyan said Israel did. The basic reason why everyone should support Palestinian statehood is for human rights. It's about justice, self-determination, freedom and rep

44 ) johnny benson / usa
06/09/2011 07:05
the arabs and their fellow jew haters,,,,,are working the crowd...they will get nowhere....they will give up nothing for any peace...they see egypt...iran..turkey..lebanon..syria.....getting together to put the crush on israel.....maybe jordan..the saudis and iraq...10k to 1....more like 100k to one....heck we now see one big fight coming...better be ready

45 ) Unilateral Declaration / Unilateral Annexation
09/09/2011 04:08
After the PA UN statehood declaration attempts to change the status of the West Bank, thus nullify the Oslo Accords, Israel would be equally free to change the status of the West Bank !! Some Israeli Knesset member’s, like Danny Danon, plan to do just that, and to unilaterally annex the West Bank’s Area C, where all the settlements and rural lands are located, and some members of the US House of Representative, like Joe Walsh, are planning legislative support for such a move !!

46 ) Brian / / u.s.a
16/09/2011 07:31
Israel has made the two-state 'solution' impossible so if, as our not-so-bright interlocutor suggests, Israel annexes the West Bank, we are well on our way to the single state with equal rights for all inhabitants. AND Israel, instead of the United Nations, would have to pay the costs of its occupation.

47 ) Charles Vassante / USA
22/09/2011 05:57
By all means Abbas should go ahead and ask for statehood. At least the people in the Arab world are able to confirm who the enemy is when their aspiration is vetoed.
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